01Problem
The number on the website is not what you pay. Kelley Blue Book’s September 2026 average U.S. new-vehicle transaction price was $50,562 (MSRP average $52,342; manufacturer incentives averaged $3,359). The FTC’s Oct. 8, 2026 complaint against Greenway Auto Group alleged that in more than 92% of reviewed Kia transactions the buyer paid more than $3,350 over the advertised price, excluding government charges. FTC staff’s Sept. 15, 2026 Automobile Industry Pricing Transparency FAQs state that the advertised price must be the actual price any consumer can walk in and pay, and that a mandatory document fee must sit inside that advertised figure — example: a $40,000 vehicle with a required $85 doc fee must be advertised at $40,085. Interest is not part of out-the-door (OTD). OTD is the cash price: selling price + dealer fees + requested add-ons + tax + title + license, minus trade-in if you want a net-cash figure.
02Intake
- VIN (or identical year/make/model/trim/color/options), stock number, whether in stock, in transit, or a dealer trade.
- Monroney (window) sticker photo: MSRP, options, destination, total; plus any dealer addendum (market adjustment, protection package).
- Advertised price from the dealer site, Cars.com, Autotrader, and manufacturer build-and-price, with dated screenshots.
- State of sale, county tax rate, and whether the state taxes the full price or the net of trade-in.
- Trade-in: VIN, miles, condition, payoff, third-party cash offers (CarMax/Carvana).
- Credit-union/bank preapproval (used later in F&I, not mixed into OTD).
- Manufacturer incentive stack: customer cash, loyalty, conquest, military/college, and which are mutually exclusive.
- Competing written OTD emails from at least two other dealers on the same VIN or identical spec.
03Playbook
- 01
Decode the VIN at NHTSA vPIC (https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/api/) and pull open recalls at nhtsa.gov/recalls. An unrepaired safety recall is a walk-away until the dealer documents the remedy.
- 02
Split four numbers and never mix them in the email thread: (a) vehicle selling price, (b) trade-in net of payoff, (c) APR/term, (d) add-ons. FTC consumer guidance: get OTD in writing before the visit and hold the trade-in until the vehicle price is locked. Do not put interest in the OTD figure (u/cubical_hell, r/askcarsales, 30d — Verified: OTD is a cash price).
- 03
Read the Monroney sticker against 15 U.S.C. §§ 1231–1232. Required items include MSRP, each optional equipment item, destination, and the total. A dealer addendum for “additional dealer markup” (ADM / market adjustment) is extra paper. Treat every dollar on it as a discount target, not a government or factory fee.
- 04
Demand a line-item OTD that matches the advertised price plus only charges a government agency requires the consumer to pay (sales tax, title, registration). FTC FAQs (Sept. 15, 2026): advertised price = walk-in price; a mandatory doc fee is inside that number; MSRP may appear if the actual price is more prominent. FTC March 13, 2026 letters to 97 dealer groups listed advertising a price that reflects rebates not available to all consumers, and advertising unavailable vehicles, as illegal pricing practices under the FTC Act.
- 05
Identify every dealer-imposed fee (doc, processing, “electronic filing” above actual cost, “prep,” nitrogen, etch, tint, paint protection, market adjustment). California Vehicle Code § 4456.5 caps document processing at $85 (DMV private-industry partner) or $70 (all other dealers) and forbids representing it as a governmental fee. New York 15 NYCRR § 77.8(c): $175 maximum; invoice must say it is not a DMV fee. Iowa Code § 322.19A: $180 maximum, must be included in the advertised price, with a required “DOCUMENTARY FEE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL FEE” notice. Maryland Transportation § 15-311.1: $800 (since July 1, 2024). Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, and Texas have no dollar cap — a $699–$1,295 “doc fee” there is a negotiated profit line. California SB 791 (raise toward 1% / $260) was vetoed Oct. 13, 2025; veto sustained Mar. 2, 2026. The $85/$70 cap remains.
- 06
Email the same spec to several dealers the same day. The community play (u/digcycle) is seven dealers, same model and color, “I am buying this week,” OTD in writing. Use the lowest complete, itemized, in-stock quote as the walk-away number. “Good” is at or below invoice-plus-destination minus holdback/incentives, or the lowest verified local transaction. “Bad” is MSRP plus ADM plus a packed protection package.
- 07
Stack manufacturer incentives from the OEM site. Conditional rebates (loyalty, college, military) may be advertised only if the advertised price is available to every walk-in buyer (FTC March 2026 letters). Put rebate-conditioned prices in a second column; do not treat them as the advertised walk-in price.
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Trade-in last, in a separate email after the selling price is locked. Get a written CarMax/Carvana bid and ask the dealer to beat it. Rolling negative equity into the new contract inflates amount financed; show that interest cost separately (skill 20).
- 09
Sales-tax math: in states that tax the net of trade-in, an $8,000 trade-in on a $40,000 sale at 7% saves $560 of tax. Confirm with the state department of revenue before treating “we’ll give you more on the trade” as a wash.
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Pay against the written number. Arrive with the email printed. If the buyer’s order exceeds that OTD, stop and re-paper. Community reports of 4-hour waits and “go 90 minutes before close” are unverified as strategy; the leverage is the written OTD, not the clock.
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There is no federal three-day cooling-off right at a dealership (16 CFR 429). California SB 766 three-day cancel applies to used vehicles ≤ $50,000, not new cars.
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If the advertised price was bait, keep screenshots and the written OTD request. File at ReportFraud.ftc.gov and with the state AG / dealer board. FTC Act § 5 still governs after the CARS Rule’s withdrawal. Willful Monroney sticker failure or alteration: $1,000 per vehicle (15 U.S.C. § 1233); no private right of action under AIDA — use it as a regulator complaint and as deception evidence.
04Checklists
Out-the-door price email negotiator
- VIN decoded (vPIC) and open recalls checked
- Monroney sticker and dealer addendum photographed
- Advertised price archived with date/URL
- Written OTD received before the visit; matches the ad plus government charges only
- Doc fee checked against the sale-state cap (CA $85/$70, NY $175, IA $180 in the ad, MD $800, else uncapped)
- Two or more competing dealer OTDs on the same spec
- Interest kept out of the OTD figure
- Trade-in payoff and third-party cash offers in writing, negotiated after selling price
- Tax treatment of trade-in confirmed for the sale state
- Manufacturer incentive stack printed from the OEM site
- Buyer’s order line-items match the pre-visit OTD
- Add-ons initialed as declined or separately requested
- No ADM left on the contract unless accepted in writing
- Copies of every signed page taken off the lot
05Questions to ask
- Q01
“Please email the out-the-door price for VIN ________, itemized as selling price, destination, each dealer fee, each add-on, tax, title, license, and doc/e-file, with no blanks, before I visit.”
- Q02
“Is every dollar of that advertised price available to any cash or outside-finance buyer who walks in today, with no rebate, financing, or add-on condition?”
- Q03
“What is the exact documentation/processing fee, is it required of every buyer, and is it inside the advertised price as FTC staff’s September 15, 2026 FAQs require?”
- Q04
“Please send a photo of the Monroney sticker and of any dealer addendum on this vehicle.”
- Q05
“Will you honor the advertised price if I finance with my credit union or pay cash?”
- Q06
“What is your written offer on my trade-in VIN ________ at ________ miles, separate from the selling price?”
- Q07
“Which manufacturer incentives are in this quote, and which expire if I do not take dealer financing or an add-on?”
- Q08
“Is this vehicle physically on your lot today? If in transit, what is the ETA and the written price lock?”
- Q09
“Will you remove the market adjustment, protection package, and every add-on I have not requested in writing?”
06Red flags
Advertised price that excludes a mandatory doc/prep/ADM fee every buyer must pay
Price conditioned on dealer financing, a minimum down payment, or an add-on
“Market adjustment” or “protection package” presented as non-negotiable or as a factory item
Doc fee labeled as a “DMV” or “government” charge (illegal in California under Veh. Code § 4456.5; deceptive anywhere; Iowa requires an “not an official fee” notice)
Four-square that shows only a monthly payment
Trade-in number that moves after the vehicle price is “agreed”
Vehicle advertised but not in inventory (FTC March 2026 warning letters)
Last-minute “we can’t do that price unless you take our lender”
Prize mailers or “you have won” traffic-builder ads (alleged in FTC v. Greenway, M.D. Fla., Oct. 8, 2026)
07Scripts
Please send a written out-the-door price for VIN [VIN], year/make/model/trim [spec], in stock today. Itemize: selling price, destination, documentation/processing fee, electronic filing, every add-on, sales tax, title, license, and any other charge. Confirm that this OTD is available to a cash or outside-finance buyer with no rebate condition. FTC staff’s September 15, 2026 pricing FAQs require the advertised price to be the actual price any consumer can pay, including every mandatory dealer fee, excluding only government-required charges. I will visit only after I have that email. I will discuss a trade-in only after we lock the selling price. I plan to buy this week.
The advertised price for this VIN was $[X] as of [date/URL]. Remove the $[Y] market adjustment and the $[Z] protection package, or I am leaving with the competing OTD from [Dealer B] at $[X2].
On [date] you advertised VIN [VIN] at $[X] on [URL]. Your buyer’s order dated [date] totals $[OTD], $[delta] above the advertised price, of which $[fees] are dealer-imposed fees and add-ons I did not request. Under FTC Act § 5 and [state UDAP statute] I demand that you honor the advertised price plus government charges only, or unwind the deal and refund all amounts paid. I am filing at ReportFraud.ftc.gov and with [state AG / dealer board].
08Tools
Callable over MCP once connected. Your agent passes the inputs and gets structured results back.
otd_quote_comparatorOTD quote comparator- Normalizes dealer out-the-door quotes: true advertised price (selling price + every mandatory dealer fee, per the FTC FAQ), taxable base net of trade-in where applicable, sales tax, cash OTD after trade equity, flags for ADM/protection packages and doc fees over the state cap; ranks by cash OTD.
doc_fee_cap_checkerDoc-fee cap checker- Compares a dealer documentation fee to the state cap: CA $85 (DMV PIP dealer) / $70, NY $175, IA $180, MD $800; elsewhere no statutory dollar cap.
car_ad_archiveAd archive- Records a dated fingerprint (SHA-256) of a dealer listing's text and price you paste in, then compares a later buyer's order to the archived price and drafts an FTC ReportFraud note if it went up. Does not fetch the page — save your own screenshot too.
09Formulas & rules
- OTD = selling price + destination (if not already in selling price) + dealer-imposed fees + requested add-ons + sales tax + title/license.
- Taxable base (typical net-of-trade-in state) = selling price + taxable fees + add-ons − trade-in allowance. Sales tax = rate × taxable base.
- FTC-compliant advertised price = selling price including every mandatory dealer fee (FAQs example: $40,000 + $85 doc = advertise $40,085).
- California doc-fee cap: $85 PIP / $70 otherwise (Veh. Code § 4456.5). New York: $175 (15 NYCRR § 77.8(c)). Iowa: $180, inside the advertised price (Iowa Code § 322.19A). Maryland: $800 (Transp. § 15-311.1).
- Monroney penalty: $1,000 per vehicle (15 U.S.C. § 1233), not inflation-adjusted since 1958.
Worked example (FTC FAQ $85 doc fee, 7% tax, net-of-trade-in):
- Advertised/selling price including destination: $40,000. Mandatory doc: $85. FTC-compliant advertised price: $40,085.
- Protection package declined: $1,895. ADM declined: $2,000.
- Trade-in allowance: $8,000 (payoff $5,500 → $2,500 equity).
- Taxable base: $40,000 + $85 − $8,000 = $32,085. Tax at 7% = $2,245.95.
- Title/license (example): $325.
- Cash OTD after trade equity: $40,085 + $2,245.95 + $325 − $8,000 = $34,655.95.
- Amount financed if $4,000 cash down on top of the $2,500 equity: $30,655.95.
- Do not fold interest into the OTD email. APR is a separate number (skill 20).
10State variation
- FTC CARS Rule never took effect (vacated Jan. 27, 2025; withdrawn Feb. 12, 2026). FTC Act § 5 is the federal advertised-price rule.
- FTC warning letters to 97 dealer groups, March 13, 2026.
- FTC staff Automobile Industry Pricing Transparency FAQs, Sept. 15, 2026.
- FTC v. Greenway Automotive, M.D. Fla. No. 6:26-cv-02337 (complaint and stipulated order filed Oct. 8, 2026): alleged >$3,350 average over advertised in >92% of reviewed Kia deals (Mar. 1, 2023–May 6, 2026); injunctive relief, no money judgment.
- California SB 766 operative Oct. 1, 2026: total-price advertising (Civ. Code § 1784.41(a)) — total price is the price at which any customer can buy the vehicle as it sits, including dealer markup and every item installed when advertised, not reduced by rebates, excluding only taxes, government fees, and finance charges.
- California doc fee still $85/$70. SB 791 vetoed Oct. 13, 2025; veto sustained Mar. 2, 2026.
- Automobile Information Disclosure Act (Monroney), 15 U.S.C. §§ 1231–1233, unchanged.
11Community tactics
- Email several dealers the same spec and ask for OTD in writing, buying this week (u/digcycle) — Verified as the correct process; FTC wants the real price in writing. “Seven” is a useful volume, not a legal number.
- Arrive 90 minutes before close (u/Ok_Narwhal6356) — Unverified as a cost-saving tactic. Time-of-day does not replace a written OTD.
- Expect a 4-hour wait even after agreeing on price (u/Jeepncolo) — Unverified as typical duration; plan for F&I delay (skill 6) but do not treat it as required.
- Pay against the written number (u/codenameoxcart) — Verified.
- Do not add interest into OTD (u/cubical_hell) — Verified. OTD is the cash price; APR is a separate number (skill 20).
12Fact-check notes
- FTC pricing FAQs https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/automobile-industry-pricing-transparency-faqs — Sept. 15, 2026; advertised price includes mandatory doc fee ($40,000 + $85 = $40,085). Direct ftc.gov fetch was blocked this pass; the example is quoted in the CNCDA member FAQ of the FTC document.
- FTC Greenway Oct. 8, 2026 press and 97-dealer March 13, 2026 letters: restated from round-1 live research (r1 §16).
- Iowa Code § 322.19A: works ($180, must be in advertised price). NY 15 NYCRR § 77.8(c) $175: consistent across NY DMV materials. Maryland $800 (Transp. § 15-311.1, July 1, 2024).
- CFPB/FMCSA/PA Insurance/NBC/ProPublica: not cited in last30days for this skill. $52,883 story and CT deposit rule: not used.
13Tools to implement
Show the tool specifications
- OTD quote comparator. Inputs: n dealer emails, advertised price, VIN, state, county tax rate, trade-in allowance, whether tax is net-of-trade. Logic: parse line items; add missing mandatory doc fee into “true advertised” using FTC FAQ rule; flag ADM, protection packages, doc fees above the state cap; rank by true cash OTD. Outputs: side-by-side table and the walk-away number. Data: FTC FAQs https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/automobile-industry-pricing-transparency-faqs; NHTSA vPIC https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/api/.
- Doc-fee cap checker. Inputs: sale state, quoted doc fee, whether dealer is a CA DMV PIP. Logic: compare to CA $85/$70, NY $175, IA $180, MD $800; else “no statutory dollar cap — treat as negotiated.” Outputs: over-cap dollars and the statute to cite. Data: Cal. Veh. Code § 4456.5; Iowa Code § 322.19A (https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/code/322.pdf); 15 NYCRR § 77.8; Md. Transp. § 15-311.1.
- Ad archive. Inputs: listing URL. Logic: save dated screenshot/hash; compare later buyer’s order to the archived price. Outputs: FTC ReportFraud packet. Data: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov.
14Sources
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- 03FTC Secures Settlement with Auto Dealership Group in Price Transparency Win for Consumersftc.gov
FTC, Oct. 8, 2026
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- 07Kelley Blue Book Report: Average New-Vehicle Transaction Prices, September 2026mediaroom.kbb.com
KBB / Cox Automotive, Oct. 13, 2026
- 08Newsom vetoes bill to raise processing fees when buying a carcalmatters.org
CalMatters, Oct. 15, 2025 (SB 791 veto Oct. 13, 2025)
Demand evidence r2 score F4 × P3 × S4 = 48; r/carbuying “How long does it take to buy a car at a dealership?” (257 comments, 30d) — “email 7 dealers with the same car model and color today and ask for out the door price in writing.”